I’m really excited to have my good friend Hugh author this post. Hugh has ridden his recumbent from coast to coast, and has toured extensively on upright bikes over the last two years as well. I feel he has a very firm grasp on this often asked question. recumbent vs upright touring? Here’s what Hugh has to say:
About Me:
I got into bicycle touring on a whim when I decided I was going to stop going to college and bike across America. At the time my bike experience amounted to cruising around town as a kid on a BMX bike and later on a mountain bike from the 80’s. During the spring I started researching bike touring in my college dorm room. I found ACA’s TransAmerica Bike Trail, and another interesting thing called a recumbent bicycle. I few months later I set out from home with a new Bacchetta Giro 26 recumbent touring bike and a Bob trailer with my camping gear.
Since then I have also toured the Pacific Coast on a Surly Long Haul Trucker and am currently riding the same Surly on the Oregon section of the TransAm. I’ve also done a lot of bike commuting on both bikes, and done a few overnight bike camps. The following observations are based on my experience with the Bacchetta Giro 26 and the Surly Disc Trucker.
I’d like to focus on a few key differences between the two types of bicycles that I think are most important. These are comfort, convenience, efficiency, riding experience, and style.
Comfort:
As part of my initial research into bicycle touring I talked with a family friend who said “the key to bicycle touring is comfort.”
I went to Coventry Cycle Works (now Recumbent PDX) to test ride a recumbent. My first impression of the Giro, a short wheelbase high recumbent, was “Wow, this is fun!” Riding the Giro there is no neck, wrist, shoulder, or elbow discomfort—your arms simply rest on the handlebars. The other major comfort advantage of a recumbent is the seat. Sure I still want to stand up every hour or so, but I don’t get a tender bottom like I do on an upright—even with a broken in Brooks saddle. Another element of riding a recumbent is that it uses different muscles. When getting used to the bike your quads will feel tired. This goes away after you condition yourself to it for a few days.
The one way I find upright bicycles more comfortable is riding in the rain. The downward head tilt (that causes neck discomfort) of an upright bike keeps the eyelashes working to keep rain out of your eyes. With that said, a recumbent is profoundly more comfortable to ride.
Convenience:
My recumbent rig was long. The bike itself is substantially longer than an upright bike—add on a Bob trailer and I had to find extra long spots to park at a grocery store – not a big deal, but when it comes to putting the bike in the back of a car or on a bike rack, it can get awkward. The racks you’ll find on city buses will accommodate a short wheelbase recumbent, but racks that go on the backs of cars can be hit or miss.
When riding a recumbent, your leg runs parallel to quite a bit of the chain. Wearing shorts or tight fitting pants this isn’t an issue, but taking a quick ride to the hardware store can leave grease stains on your pants. Compared to the ease of putting on a leg strap and hopping on the Long Haul Trucker, this is a major damper for using the recumbent as a town bike. Not really a factor in touring when you know you’ll be wearing appropriate clothing all the time, but this has influenced which bike I ride around town.
As far as bike parts go, aside from the frame and handlebars, a recumbent uses standard bike parts. There are some specialty pannier racks and light mounts that you can get for recumbent too!
Efficiency:
I rode my Long Haul Trucker 56 miles today in about 5.5 hours. I think on average I had a similar pace on my recumbent. The aerodynamics of a recumbent bicycle are far superior to an upright that I find bombing hills on an upright somewhat underwhelming. My long haul trucker rarely gets above 30 going down a hill—my Giro has no problem speeding past that. Overall, at the end of a day of riding, you will be less tired on a recumbent in part because it’s a more efficient bike, but also because your arms and shoulders haven’t been holding your body up all day.
One of the knocks I read about recumbents is that you cannot stand to increase your power output. While true, you can push against your back. This has the advantage of not limiting the force you can apply to your weight.
Riding Experience:
Riding Recumbents is infectious, as demonstrated by Guthrie
Recumbents are fun! It may take a week or two to get used to the sensitive steering and the wobbly feeling of lying down, but believe me it’s well worth it. Touring on a recumbent is like driving a sports car on the freeway. Short wheel base recumbents feel very responsive; yet have a wider turning radius than an upright bike. The bike feels a bit like what I imagine a bobsled to be like. When you bank around a corner you feel the seat supporting your back giving the sensation of riding rail. Being low to the ground makes banking even more exciting. I also test rode a long wheelbase recumbent, and although very comfy, felt too clunky compared to the Giro’s sports car like performance.
One of the little mentioned advantages of a recumbent bicycle is the upright view. Your head naturally sits upright atop your shoulders making it easy to look around at the scenery (as opposed to down at the road ahead). With this benefit comes the cost of seeing what’s right in front of your front wheel, but if you’re touring on pavement it’s a good sacrifice to make.
As a consequence of not being able to stand on the pedals, riding on rough gravel roads is particularly unpleasant. Your back will be right above the rear wheel, so any bump you hit is directly transferred into your shoulders. Having limited mobility to influence your balance, the bike will feel unstable. A short wheelbase recumbent is definitely a pavement queen.
Style:
An upright bike is pretty standard, but on a recumbent I’ve received positive and negative extra attention. Teenagers shout about how strange it is, but the strange machine intrigues everyone else. Many want to try it, and it’s always fun to share!
Conclusion:
Getting a recumbent touring rig is no small commitment. The bike and accessories you will need put the cost near $2,000. With that said, if you’re getting a bike to go on a lot of long rides I recommend going to a shop where you can test ride a recumbent. It’s probably not the one bike to rule them all, but a fantastic bike for going on a joy ride.
After several long tours on an upright bike and having general discomfort in the taint area, I’m considering a recumbent.
I’m curious about the tire size on the recumbent, 26in vs getting a Bacchetta 700c. Did you notice any “slowness” with the 26inch tire on the recumbent?
I know there’s a lot of debate over tire size, but I can attest that I have toured on 700c and 26 inch and I definitely noticed the 26 inch feeling like a tug boat compared to the 700c.
Thanks for any help!
Andrew
Greetings Andrew,
First, you CAN get a Bacchetta Giro touring recumbent WITH 700c wheels! This will make the seat a little higher, which can be a little awkward for shorter people, but wouldn’t be an issue for most people.
To answer your question, riding my recumbent was the first real bicycle experience I’d had as an adult, so riding on 26 inch wheels felt normal. Since, on my Surly I’ve experienced 700c wheels. I don’t notice a difference – the difference between the frontal air resistance is the main thing, though all those small things like skinny wheels add up.
Cheers and happy riding!
-Hugh
Have you tried a more comfortable recumbent tricycle yet for long touring or going to the store. I’m a Terratrike Tour 2 owner don’t know what I’d do without it.
Hey Shawn,
I haven’t, thanks for putting it on the radar! (currently in love with the Urban Arrow Shortie but that’s a whole different ballpark of bike… one day…)
Try a Dutch recumbent the Flevobike Green Machine of you don’t want the dirt of the chain.
I’ve been riding a GreenMachine since 2009 and it’s wonderful. If anyone has any questions, I can try and answer them. I can even order you a GM from Flevobike as I am a dealer, if you decide you have to have one. http://www.planetearthcycles.com
Hey Hugh,
Great writing! Long Haul Trucker is a nice recumbent bike.
Keep up riding!
– Guadalupe
I’ve got both…the LHT doesn’t come close to being a recumbent!
I live in Florida where most of the roads are flat or rolling at best. I am thinking of getting a recumbent but wasn’t sure of what kind of gear set would be best. What are the differences?
Hi Greg,
Thanks for writing! Most riders think in terms of “tall” or “short” gearing which informs the use of the bike. Tall gearing is great for areas where you have relatively flat terrain, and want to be able to max out at at a higher overall speed, or to really get the most out of descending hills and mountains as they occur, as the air resistance is lessened with a recumbent, and taller gearing allows you to easily get pedaling up to ~50mph on longer descents.
Short gearing is much better for touring (in my opinion) as it offers better transitions between lower speeds where you’re changing gears often to maximize your comfort and pedaling motion when steering a loaded bike. I personally like the trade off because once on the road, I spend far more time switching between gears at 8-12mph than I do needing to hit that higher top speed.
As far as gear sets go, there is a wide variety of options on the market, but generally, a low gearing crankset would be 26/36/48 tooth (which is standard for Surly’s Long Haul Trucker bike lineup), wheras a higher geared crankset may have 28/42/52 or such, which would give you better gearing to go fast.
Hope this helps, and definitely test ride a few models if they’re available from your local bike shop if you can as that’s a great way to feel out the differences.
Cheers!
– Guthrie
Enjoyed your article and posts. I have a Bacchetta as well with 700 c wheels. Interestingly I also have a Surley LHT. I’ve toured on both. Mostly supported tours like Bicycle Tour of Colorado and BT Virginia. But also 2 fully self contained tours. San Francisco to LA and LA to Phoenix.
No doubt, recumbents are more comfortable. They go much faster on down hills. And take less energy on level ground. They are slower on uphills and mountains. I like riding both.
I started a blog just after retirement that has a few of my past and current biking adventures. And a couple of other posts that I seemed be called to write.
We have a tour planned in August that will be posted there if you have any interest. I’m new to this blogging stuff, but do enjoy writing.
Thanks Again for your article.
Tommy10 in Texas
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I’d highly recommend a 20 inch giro over the 26. Those big front wheels put your neck and back in a rather strained and awkward position, and personally, leave my feet and legs a bit too far off the ground somehow.
I love the feel of the 20. Connected, in control, close to the ground when I need to stop, stable, and relaxed. Neck is upright, which is much nicer. To me that is a huge deal. I don’t feel like I’m perched awkwardly on a 20 like I do on a 26.
No doubt Jeff…& for the uninformed…20 inch means smaller front wheel than the rear! I more normal seating position!
Flowood is hosting a recumbent rally and convention in Brandon from May 1 to May 3 and a tour of the Natchez Trace from May 4 to May 9.
I posted earlier this year before our tour from Florence, Oregon to Missoula Montana. We just finished that tour. [email protected].
We cycled 11 days. We had 2 rest days. We used Adventure Cycling maps which were a part of the Trans America Route. I rode my Bacchetta Corsa A70. We were supported by my Sweetheart in an F150 pickup.
849 miles. 11 cycling days and 2 rest days.
There were 3 other riders on high performance road uprights. Cervello and Cannondale. They were much faster than me on the uphills. Or should I say they cooked me on the long climbs. And I smoked them on the down hills. Or should I say the descents.
In the end we all made it to our destinations. 2 Riders stopped before the Oregon border. 2 Riders make it to Missoula. All by design due to time commitments.
None of us were loaded. We were light weight tourist. I wish I could have climbed faster. Yet they were not happy when I p0ssed them on down hills.
My take away is this: You have to decide. Do you want t0 keep up with your weekend friends? Or do you want comfort with proximity to them at the end of the day?
Most of my friends are road hogs. They like speed. They like touring, but they like speed. And they like being first to the end.
I voted for comfort and I’m glad I did.
Having said all of that, I have to say, its a break even for me. I’d go either way. Especially if I didn’t have peer pressure on a tour. Which I had on this tour.
Tom Standley – Woodlands Cycling Club – Houston, Texas
Thanks for the insight Tom! Glad you had a good ride!
Cheers,
– Guthrie
Great info! I’m considering making the switch to recumbent for a Pacific Coast ride next spring…not looking forward to the neck, arm/shoulder, and butt strain of my upright. What recumbent-specific bike parts are good to carry for emergencies? An extra chain?
Thanks!
Alex
Hi Alex,
I’m not as familiar with recumbent parts to carry for long tours as emergency parts, however the chain question is an easy one – recumbent chains (after original) are almost always just combinations of two chains found at your local bike shop. Shops can buy chain in bulk if they do a LOT of chain volume, however in medium to small shops you’ll most likely just end up buying two chains and linking them together at the correct pin link count. A chain tool integrated into a bike multitool however, WOULD be an excellent thing to bring along :)
Traveling Two (http://travellingtwo.com/10067) also recommends a mirror, which I’d imagine can be handy too.
Regards,
– Guthrie
There aren’t many recumbent-specific parts except for frame, seat, and steering. Re the chain, all you need is a chain tool and a quick link specific to your chain (e.g. 10-gear on rear, etc.). If you break a chain, only the weakest or most stressed link would break. The chain tool removes the broken link and the quick link repairs the chain until you reach a bike shop. Example a couple of weeks ago, a recumbent trike rider in my group broke his chain. I had the chain tool and another rider had the quick link. The repair was good for the day until the bike shop. I ride a Catrike Expedition recumbent trike. If you are considering recumbents, include 3 wheels in your search.
Great article….I came across it while researching for my mid life crisis….I’m planning on an unsupported ride through S.E. Asia and then across Australia. I am considering set ups and I’m very curious as to how the trailer worked with the Giro A26, in part because I’m trying to weigh up the benefits of a trike vs two wheeled recumbent and whether the extra load of a trailer is a help or an hindrance.
Try a real expedition recumbent that can carry rider + gear = 285 pounds.
These two also run shock absorbers as well.
HP Velotechnik Streetmachine
Nazca Gaucho 26″
The Gaucho touring looks awesome with huge Radical Design bags.
https://www.nazca-ligfietsen.nl/en/gaucho
Hi, thanks for the great article. What are your thoughts on a three wheeler for touring and have you tried touring with panniers on your bike?
Greetings,
I haven’t tried touring on a three-wheeler–I am much to attached to having all of my wheels in a straight line making riding on narrow spaces easier. My concern with three-wheeled bikes or even two-wheeled trailers is that it would be more difficult to really ride on the edge of the shoulder or to avoid the rumble-strips. I did meet a lady who had done most of the TransAmerica Bike Trail on a tadpole trike and she was in good spirits so it must be possible!
I did try putting Ortlieb panniers on the bike and that worked ok other than I had to modify the rack in order to support the rear bottom corner of the pannier (nothing a dowel and a zip-tie couldn’t fix). Ortlieb makes special recumbent panniers that would probably be more groovy. Bacchetta also makes a low-rider rack for putting panniers under the seat which would lower the center-of-gravity and be totally out of the way.
-Hugh
Hi Hugh,
I’ve always had traditional upright bikes. But persistent neck soreness tells me that there’s a recumbent in my future. I’ve looked and liked what I’ve seen from the Giro’s. But I live in the city and wonder if the 20 inch wheels are somehow better for the usual urban stop/start experience of city riding. I stopped using click-in pedals years ago for exactly this reason. I don’t have a real “need for speed,” just a need for a good ride. Perhaps you could advise? Also, is the chain noisy? Many Thanks!
Hi Alonzo, thanks for writing in! I can’t speak for Hugh, but in my experience 20in is pretty pleasant for a lot of stop/start in the regard you’re referring to, but should be balanced against how much you think you’ll be city riding/desire better rolling characteristic if taking the bike on tour (ie less bumpy over longer trips). 20in is great for zippy starts off the line, and with balancing a recumbent are nice for keeping with the crowd flow. Regarding chains, there shouldn’t be much of a difference between a standard bike chain and a recumbent so long as it’s maintained well, with the exception of the shifter location as if it’s closer to your body (depending on manufacturer) you may notice a bit more chain noise due to that closer proximity.
Hope that helps!
– Guthrie
Greetings Alonzo!
I agree that the 20″ front wheel would be better for stop and start. I’m a tall & long legged guy so I put the seat pretty far back which gets your feet closer to the ground. I don’t have much trouble starting and stopping, though it is more difficult with a heavy bike going up hill. The 20″ wheel I would think would make it easier to pedal with one foot and hold yourself up with the other. My preferred start method while on flat ground is to simultaneously take a step forward and sit down, then while coasting get the feet up on the pedals (it all becomes one smooth motion with a bit of practice). With a little practice I didn’t have to think about starting or stopping.
The chain is slightly noisier than a standard bike–mostly what you hear are the links going over the chain idler pulley right under the seat, but it’s not a big deal.
I highly recommend going to a shop where you can try bikes out! Ride for a good long while and try starting down a hill, up a hill, etc.. The bikes definitely aren’t as maneuverable as an upright, but the comfort and pleasure of riding makes up for it!
-Hugh
P.S. The other advantage of a 20″ front wheel is it reduces the chances of foot numbness. When I first started riding the bike my feet would get a little numb. That would go away within a few seconds of standing up, and after I got conditioned to riding the bike it went away entirely.
I commute 30 miles total per day for work. I have two Surlys – a LHT and ECR – which are great. But my back would bother me on occasions when I would ride too many days in a row (probably aging). So I bought a Goro A20 for “recovery rides,” or so I thought. After I got the hang of the recumbent bike, I just kept riding and riding and riding. More than just the previous commuting – 4-5 hours, 50-70 miles, no proble. Just fun. Like I’m a kid on a big wheel. I put the Surlys on garage hooks and only use them for a change of pace occasionally (the opposite of how I thought the A20 would be the occasional use bike). Full disclosure, I subscribe to the “just ride” philosophy, giving up on all the pedals, cleats, padded lycra, jerseys, bullshit that just takes me away from the sheer enjoyment of biking like I’m 10 again. That said I highly recommend a recumbent bike. Do it sooner than later. Forget about the biking clones.
Great review by Guthrie. Thanks!
I really like Jeff’s “just ride” philosophy” and am glad I’m not the only one who has come to this perspective. I call it the ‘dirtbag’ philosophy, wherein one just hops on their bike (a Giro 20 for me) and rides. Little time spent changing into lycra, special shoes or padded gloves.
Check out Grant Petersen’s book ‘ Just Ride: A Radically Practical Guide to Riding Your Bike.’
Great article…I’m 63…have a LHT…A Bacchetta Corsa…A Giro 20 and a Tour Easy. I rupture a disk in my neck waterskiing in 1987…and broke my neck in 1998. The LHT is a tank…I still have nostalgia for touring on an Up Wrong. Admittedly…if one can last longer in the saddle they’re the winner…who wouldn’t want more distance in a given tour day? My go to for touring is my Giro 20. Yes…toe numbing is an issue on the 20…but not as bad as the Corsa…and certainly almost non existent on the TE. I pull a trailer…and I tote Arkel R60s for rears and R40s for the fronts on the bents. I put Arkel Orca 35s & 45s for the LHT. I love the idea of going with the JUST RIDE attitude…but with feet parallel or higher I still like to clip. I think it’s less energy & safer. One can’t beat a bent…no matter what age! It would be a cold day in Hades before I succumb to a trike for many reasons tho.
I’m 80 and ride a Greenspeed Anura, a Delta trike. I went the trike route due to diminished balance. I don’t get all dressed up to ride, just shorts or Levi’s But I do ride with clip-ins just to keep my feet on the pedals. I
I find the trike to be strictly a flat lander. At my age I just don’t have the strength to power up hills anymore so am considering having electric assist installed (if possible) or trading the Anura for a factory electric assist trike.
Enjoyed the article. I live in the Portland area and bought my trike at RecumbentPDX also.
Dennis M
Enjoyed all your posts! Bought Corsa in Coventry..have done San Fran to Portland several times on non recumbent..but now at 69 have converted all bikes to e assist..so much fun..what hills?..did coast on battery from South to North..what wind? Camped at places with cell phone charger.. had 2 kw ready for next day..can’t describe the fun..just built trek 620 with tong sheng 500 for next ride..keep moving all!
Thanks for reading Geoffrey! I’ve been digging the e-bike revolution very much so lately – they’re such a great way to make riding possible in innumerable situations (such as keeping speed in traffic mainfares in Portland, ORE for me). So glad you’ve been getting to enjoy that as well. Re: footwear – keep it floppy!
Cheers,
– G
Oh. I ride with flip flops with wide bmx pedals…just ride
Hugh –
I have a BOB trailer that I used with my Tour Easy. Now I ride a Bacchetta Corsa. Did you use the skewer to attach? Please add close-up photos of the attach details
Greetings!
I did use the skewer attachment system–it worked great! I don’t have any photos and am away from the bike now. I didn’t have to make any modifications to the system nor did I experience any problems with it. It was easy to attach by myself and I liked how solid it was–none of the springiness that comes with the Burley ball/socket/arm attachment system.
-Hugh
WOW! Have enjoyed reading the article and the comments. I am 71 1/2 & bought a Bachetta CA3.0 last Thanksgiving. Have only ridden it about 200 miles since. Intentionally did a lot of start/stop on a 11 mile flat route. Got the hang of it. My hands numb and my butt gets sore on the upright Litespeed. Recumbent is certainly more comfortable. After after the Cheaha Challenge this weekend I am “done” with a the serious climbing (my wife doesn’t believe me) and I plan to start riding the bent more. All the comments have been helpful and encouraging.
Thanks for writing Ray, glad you enjoyed the article and hope the Bachetta serves you well going forward!
For all you guys wearing regular clothes on recumbent, I’ve had hurtful bugs fly up into my pant legs :) Great article. I started on a recumbent because I had so many physical issues on standard bikes. Was able strengthen my body enough to get back on a diamond frame and finally did some light touring. I turned 60 last year and have been yearning for a new recumbent. Looking at another Bachetta or maybe an HP Velotechnik.
I was hating the sore neck and shoulders after riding my 700c bike and wanted more of a cruiser. I noticed that the majority of the cruisers are not suited for long riding and the handlebars make your wrists hurt so i purchased a set of Ape hanger style handlebars. I bought some extended cables for the brakes and shifter and put a very large saddle seat. My neck and shoulder soreness is gone, and i can still stand up to climb those hills, but my tailbone still hurts after a long ride. Wondering if it would still be better to get a recumbent.
Hi there. Wondering if you could talk about your experience with cars, wind from semis, visibility to vehicles, and being a part of car traffic in town. I’m very very reluctant to make the switch to a recumbent because I’m terrified of cars being even less likely to see my rig and respect my space on the road. For frame of reference, I have a 200 lumen taillight, a 900 headlight, a 360 degree reflective bike and components and a safety vest and neon reflective helmet to boot. I don’t f**k around with safety. ; ) Traffic where I live (Verona, WI) is STUPID fast and makes even those of us who have been riding for 20 years skiddish. Tips, tricks, feedback between your LHT and recumbent appreciated.
Not sure if that came through as a reply or not–anyhow view the comment below!
On the recumbent, it seemed like people would give me a wider berth because it just looks a bit funky. I was pulling a Bob trailer with the yellow bag and the yellow flag for most of my time riding. The short wheel-base recumbents sit plenty high enough for the rider to have good visibility, and conveniently the handlebar mirror is closer to eye level so it is easy to include in a scan. My overall impression is that cars were more respectful of my space on the road on the bent vs the LHT. With my daylight only riding, yellow helmet, and yellow gear–I didn’t worry much about not being visible. Like you mention, that is pretty much entirely up to the rider.
I also noticed a large variation in how I was treated by cars from location to location. Most of the western states I rode through knew how to treat a bicycle on the road and the vast majority of them would give me the entire lane as they passed when they were able. In some of the windy road states the cars would just slowly follow me until I stopped and waved them past–either way, the majority of people were respectful.
I do not have any experience riding a recumbent in a city–all of my riding was through small towns and on country roads.
Stay safe!
-Hugh
I did a 2 week tour down the pacific coast from Astoria last year on my LHT. I felt good for most of the ride, but when it was done I found it really uncomfortable to sit in a car seat – pretty severe pain in my upper right leg. I still get twinges of it almost a year later.
I researched recumbent touring after that (wish I’d seen this article then!) I ended up ordering a Cruzbike Q45. It’s SWB/FWD/MBB meaning the whole drivetrain is in front of you and your pedaling affects the steering. It’s on 26″ wheels and you are at eye level with most drivers. It has taken me about 2 months to get confident on it and now I need to build up different muscles to be able to climb like I can on the LHT. I can use my big Arkel panniers on the back and with a set of recumbent panniers under the seat I can haul almost as much gear as the LHT.
I’ll be retiring soon and will have to decide soon which bike I’ll tour on this summer.
I’m also in the just bike camp and use platform pedals and normal clothes on both bikes. The comment about bugs going up you shorts was funny, but also very possible – I may need to look for different shorts!
Thanks for the article and all the great comments.
Thanks for writing Ray!
Glad you’re exploring some comfy options re: recumbent transition – let us know how it goes!
Best,
– Guthrie